Sea Restricted (SE) This fall 2022 Earnings Name Transcript

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Sea Restricted (SE 22.21%)
This fall 2022 Earnings Name
Mar 07, 2023, 7:30 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Ready Remarks
• Questions and Solutions
• Name Members

Ready Remarks:

Operator

Good morning and good night. Welcome to the Sea Restricted fourth quarter and full 12 months 2022 outcomes convention name. [Operator instructions] After right now’s presentation, there shall be a possibility to ask questions. Please word, this occasion is being recorded.

I might now like to show the convention over to Ms. Minju Music. Please go forward.

Minju Music — Senior Supervisor, Group CCO Workplace

Hi there everybody, and welcome to Sea’s 2022 fourth quarter and full 12 months earnings convention name. I am Minju Music from Sea’s group chief company officer’s workplace. Earlier than we proceed, I wish to remind you that we might make forward-looking statements, that are inherently topic to dangers and uncertainties and is probably not realized sooner or later for varied causes, as acknowledged in our press launch. Additionally, this name contains the dialogue of sure non-GAAP monetary measures akin to adjusted EBITDA.

We imagine these measures can improve our traders’ understanding of the particular money flows of our main companies when used as a complement to our GAAP disclosures. For a dialogue of using non-GAAP monetary measures and reconciliation with the closest GAAP measures, please consult with the part on non-GAAP monetary measures in our press launch. I’ve with me Sea’s chairman and group chief govt officer, Forrest Li; group chief monetary officer, Tony Hou; and group chief company officer, Yanjun Wang. Our administration will share technique and enterprise updates, working highlights, and monetary efficiency for the fourth quarter and full 12 months of 2022.

This shall be adopted by a Q&A session during which we welcome any questions you’ve. With that, let me flip the decision over to Forrest.

Forrest Li — Chairman, Group Chief Govt Officer

Hi there, everybody, and thanks for becoming a member of right now’s name. 2022 was one other 12 months of evolution for us. Given the macro uncertainties, we pivoted decisively late final 12 months to deal with effectivity and profitability. Consequently, we started to see significant enhancements within the backside line.

For the fourth quarter, our web earnings and the full adjusted EBITDA each turned optimistic. Furthermore, we generated $320 million of money from operations within the quarter. It has not been a simple journey. We might make these important shifts inside such a brief time period solely due to the collective efforts of our Sea group as an entire and the very sturdy dedication and resilience that our group has demonstrated.

We took the laborious path, however we imagine that is the appropriate path to realize long-term success. As we proceed this transition and handle sustainable progress going ahead, we have now adopted the method of doing much less however doing it higher. First, we sharpened our deal with areas with the best potential throughout our companies. We exited or downsized operations in noncore markets, streamlined our sport pipeline with divestments and undertaking closures; and deprioritized noncore initiatives.

These measures introduced rapid price enhancements. Extra importantly, they allowed us to focus our managerial, operational, and monetary assets on doing the core issues higher. In the meantime, we targeted on doing higher for our customers throughout our digital ecosystem. At Shopee, we continued to optimize buyer companies, vendor administration, and logistics.

At Garena, we labored to enhance the accessibility and the content material high quality of our core video games. We’ve additionally been leveraging SeaMoney’s sturdy synergies with the remainder of our ecosystem to raised serve the under-addressed monetary wants in our market. I’ll elaborate extra intimately through the section dialogue. Given the macro uncertainty and our latest sturdy pivot, we proceed to intently monitor the market atmosphere and alter our tempo and fine-tune our operations accordingly.

Consequently, there could also be near-term fluctuations in our outcomes and efficiency. Nonetheless, we stay extremely assured within the long-term progress potential of our markets and extremely targeted on capturing this chance. Extra importantly, our dedication and talent to execute towards profitability allow us to begin 2023 on a a lot stronger footing. Let’s now talk about every enterprise section intimately.

Beginning with e-commerce, I am happy to share that Shopee’s adjusted EBITDA turned optimistic for the primary time within the fourth quarter of 2022. The enhancements we achieved in core market income and working prices have been key components driving fourth quarter profitability. Within the fourth quarter, GAAP income was $2.1 billion, up 32% 12 months on 12 months. This was primarily as a result of sturdy progress in core market income.

Throughout the core market income, each transaction-based charges and promoting income elevated as we deepened monetization and noticed larger funding by sellers on our platform to serve patrons higher. Full 12 months efficiency typically mirrored the traits of the fourth quarter, with GAAP income rising 42% from 2021. By way of working prices, we made enhancements throughout every of the foremost bills within the fourth quarter. GAAP gross sales and advertising and marketing bills improved by 34% quarter on quarter and 55% 12 months on 12 months, pushed by extra focused investments throughout delivery incentives and model advertising and marketing.

There have been additionally sequential enhancements in R&D and G&A bills. Now, every area. In our Asia markets, we recorded a optimistic adjusted EBITDA of $320 million within the fourth quarter. This represents a big enchancment from the earlier quarter, which had an adjusted EBITDA lack of $217 million.

In our different markets, the adjusted EBITDA loss additionally decreased by greater than 50% quarter on quarter to $124 million. In Brazil, we continued to take pleasure in sturdy enhancements in unit economics. Our contribution margin loss per order decreased by 54% from the earlier quarter to $0.47. Throughout 2022, we have now been capable of drive significant enhancements in logistics prices to our ecosystem.

This may stay an necessary space of focus going ahead. We imagine that reducing the price to serve shall be key to our long-term progress by unlocking giant, underserved consumer segments throughout our markets. Whereas we have now already seen early outcomes from these efforts, there may be nonetheless larger room for enchancment. Along with price administration, we stay extremely targeted on bettering consumer expertise.

For instance, we have now been systematically reviewing and optimizing our course of administration for buyer companies. We focus not solely on setting key metrics and targets for basic consumer expertise but additionally on extra proactive administration of tail circumstances. On logistics, we have now been working to offer a extra environment friendly and dependable expertise to our customers. This contains decreasing wait instances, minimizing supply losses, and offering a extra seamless in-app expertise to each sellers and patrons in managing logistics.

The macroenvironment stays unsure, and there are nonetheless headwinds on consumption in our markets. With our latest pivot, we’re exhibiting a optimistic backside line for the primary time. As such, our focus this 12 months shall be to proceed to solidify the effectivity beneficial properties and optimize the price construction throughout our markets. In our Asia markets, we’ll work to additional strengthen our main place and profitability.

In Brazil, we’ll deal with driving the enterprise towards profitability to seize the numerous alternative on this new market. GMV will largely stay an output for us within the close to time period. You will need to reemphasize our long-term deal with sustainable progress for Shopee. In our view, e-commerce penetration in our markets stays low as in comparison with its full potential relative to offline retail.

Our markets additionally take pleasure in extremely favorable demographical traits by way of their giant and rising digital inhabitants. That is additional supported by the long-term financial progress potential throughout our markets. The important thing query introduced to us at this stage is how a lot of those underserved wants for on-line consumption we will sustainably tackle. This determines the dimensions of the worthwhile TAM we will seize.

We imagine a big a part of the reply lies in our capability to proceed to enhance the price construction of our ecosystem by means of creativity, know-how, operational excellence, and most significantly, an unwavering dedication to serve our customers. We imagine every thing we’re doing now’s to raised place us to realize sustainable progress, profitability, and the defensibility of our ecosystem in the long term. Now, let’s flip to digital leisure. In 2022, on-line video games as a market was broadly impacted by ongoing moderation in consumer engagement and monetization.

Our video games skilled related traits. Through the fourth quarter, Garena’s GAAP income was $949 million and bookings have been $544 million. Quarterly energetic customers reached 486 million, with 44 million quarterly paying customers. The paying consumer ratio and common income per consumer remained comparatively secure quarter on quarter.

For the total 12 months of 2022, GAAP income was $3.9 billion, with bookings at $2.8 billion. Regardless of the continuing moderation, we stay extremely targeted on sustaining our present core video games. We prioritize consumer engagement by providing higher and extra pleasing experiences in our video games. We’ve focused initiatives for present and returning customers.

We’ve additionally been streamlining sport content material to enhance accessibility and gameplay for all customers throughout numerous markets. In managing price effectivity, we have now comprehensively reviewed our publishing and self-development pipeline consistent with our precept of doing much less however doing it higher. Consequently, we have now divested and closed sure initiatives and stay selective about high-potential initiatives to raised direct our assets. This 12 months, we’ll deal with solidifying our strengths in core video games and communities whereas persevering with to place ourselves to pursue long-term progress alternatives as they come up.

Lastly, our digital monetary companies enterprise. SeaMoney’s GAAP income was $380 million within the fourth quarter of 2022, up 92% 12 months on 12 months. Adjusted EBITDA additionally turned optimistic for the primary time at $76 million for the fourth quarter. The advance in profitability was pushed by each sturdy top-line progress and optimization of gross sales and advertising and marketing spend.

For the total 12 months of 2022, GAAP income was $1.2 billion, rising 160% 12 months on 12 months; and adjusted EBITDA loss was $229 million. As of the top of the fourth quarter, the full loans receivable on our steadiness sheet was $2.1 billion, web of allowance for credit score losses of $239 million. Our SeaMoney enterprise is a extremely synergistic a part of our digital ecosystem. For instance, our cellular pockets has resulted in decrease transaction prices and a extra seamless transaction expertise on Shopee.

Shopee, in flip, has allowed the cellular pockets to develop its consumer base and construct consumer habits extra effectively. With Shopee, our credit score enterprise is ready to leverage a big captive consumer base, a extremely related use case with important scale, and a wealth of consumer insights for simpler underwriting. On the identical time, Shopee advantages as shoppers take pleasure in extra versatile cost choices, entry to credit score, and larger affordability. We anticipate our digital insurance coverage, wealth administration, and financial institution companies to take pleasure in related synergies with our e-commerce platform to serve the big, underserved communities in our markets.

We see SeaMoney as an necessary long-term progress engine for us. We are going to proceed to prioritize the ecosystem technique in pursuing this important alternative with effectivity and profitability. To conclude, our efficiency within the fourth quarter was an necessary demonstration of our capability to deal with profitability and ship significant outcomes. It is a testomony to the energy and the resilience of our underlying enterprise mannequin and the execution capabilities of our groups.

Though we anticipate macro uncertainty to proceed to cloud the horizon within the close to time period, the long-term potential of our companies and markets stays huge. We plan to seize these alternatives whereas delivering sturdy and sustained shareholder returns over time. With that, I’ll invite Tony to debate our financials.

Tony Hou — Group Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks, Forrest, and because of everybody for becoming a member of the decision. We’ve included detailed monetary schedules, along with the corresponding administration evaluation, in right now’s press launch, and Forrest has mentioned a few of our monetary highlights, so I’ll focus my feedback on the opposite related metrics. For Sea general, complete GAAP income elevated 7% 12 months on 12 months to $3.5 billion within the fourth quarter and 25% 12 months on 12 months to $12.4 billion for the total 12 months of 2022. This was primarily pushed by the improved monetization in our e-commerce and digital monetary companies companies, partially offset by decrease GAAP income in our digital leisure enterprise.

On e-commerce, our fourth quarter GAAP income of $2.1 billion included GAAP market income of $1.8 billion, up 43% 12 months on 12 months; and GAAP product income of $0.3 billion. For the total 12 months of 2022, GAAP income of $7.3 billion included GAAP market income of $6.2 billion, up 52% 12 months on 12 months; and GAAP product income of $1.1 billion. E-commerce adjusted EBITDA turned optimistic for the primary time within the fourth quarter at $196 million. The enhancements have been primarily from extra focused investments in our gross sales and advertising and marketing spending, deepened monetization, and different optimization of price construction.

Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was additionally positively impacted by roughly $80 million of accruals reversal ensuing from adjustments in earlier estimations of sure bills as we made the administration choice to strongly pivot to a transparent deal with price effectivity. 2022 full 12 months adjusted EBITDA loss improved by 34% 12 months on 12 months to $1.7 billion. Digital leisure bookings have been $544 million within the fourth quarter and $2.8 billion for the total 12 months of 2022. GAAP income was $949 million within the fourth quarter and $3.9 billion for the total 12 months of 2022.

Digital leisure adjusted EBITDA was $258 million within the fourth quarter and $1.3 billion for the total 12 months of 2022. Within the fourth quarter of 2022, we additionally acknowledged an impairment of goodwill cost of $178 million pertaining to sure historic investments for the digital leisure enterprise. Impairment of goodwill are excluded from segment-adjusted EBITDA calculations as it isn’t reflective of the underlying development in our present quarter working efficiency. Digital monetary companies GAAP income was up by 92% 12 months on 12 months to $380 million within the fourth quarter and up by 160% 12 months on 12 months to $1.2 billion for the total 12 months of 2022.

This was primarily pushed by the expansion in our credit score enterprise. Adjusted EBITDA turned optimistic for the primary time at $76 million within the fourth quarter, and adjusted EBITDA loss was $229 million for the total 12 months of 2022. Enhancements within the backside line have been pushed by each sturdy top-line progress and optimization of gross sales and advertising and marketing spend. As of the top of the fourth quarter, complete loans receivable was $2.1 billion, web of allowance for credit score losses of $239 million.

Nonperforming loans late by greater than 90 days as a share of our complete gross loans receivable declined from lower than 4% within the third quarter to lower than 2%, primarily as a result of shortening of mortgage write-off durations in a sure market from 180 days to 120 days within the fourth quarter primarily based on our evaluation of historic credit score losses. With out this modification in write-off interval, the ratio could be round 5%. Returning to our consolidated numbers, we acknowledged a web nonoperating earnings of $35 million within the fourth quarter of 2022, in comparison with a web nonoperating lack of $71 million within the fourth quarter of 2021. Our nonoperating earnings for the fourth quarter was primarily as a result of our $200 million web achieve from 2022 convertible bond repurchase, partially offset by funding losses acknowledged amid decrease valuations within the broader market.

For the total 12 months, our web nonoperating loss was $13 million, in comparison with lack of $132 million for the total 12 months of 2021. We had a web earnings tax credit score of $43 million within the fourth quarter of 2022, in comparison with web earnings tax expense of $106 million within the fourth quarter of 2021. The earnings tax credit score was primarily as a result of recognition of deferred tax property from sure tax losses carried ahead from our e-commerce enterprise, partially offset by earnings tax incurred by our digital leisure enterprise. We acknowledged the deferred tax property as we assessed that it’s extra probably than not that our future taxable earnings shall be ample to permit the deferred tax asset to be utilized.

For the total 12 months, our web earnings tax expense was $168 million, in comparison with $333 million for the total 12 months of 2021. Consequently, web earnings was $423 million within the fourth quarter of 2022, as in comparison with web lack of $616 million within the fourth quarter of 2021. This included unfavorable impacts of $178 million impairment of goodwill associated to sure historic investments for the digital leisure enterprise and the optimistic influence of $200 million web achieve on debt extinguishment, in addition to optimistic influence of roughly $130 million in accruals reversal. For the total 12 months, web loss was $1.7 billion.

With that, let me flip the decision to Minju.

Minju Music — Senior Supervisor, Group CCO Workplace

Thanks, Forrest and Tony. We at the moment are able to open the decision for questions. As standard, our group chief company officer, Yanjun Wang, will lead this half. Operator.

Questions & Solutions:

Operator

Thanks. We are going to now start the question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] Our first query comes from Pang Vitt from Goldman Sachs. Please go forward.

Pang Vittayaamnuaykoon — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

Thanks very a lot for the chance and congratulations administration group on a really sturdy quarter and strong turnaround. Two questions from me, please, on Shopee. Primary, are you able to please clarify to us on the foremost drivers that led to this actually quick turnaround in Shopee earnings this quarter? How did you handle to realize this? Is it by the use of the take price enhance and this cost-cutting or is there a deliberate try to chop off unprofitable GMV with a view to obtain this? That is query primary. Query quantity two, going ahead, as you’ve already achieved strong turnaround in backside line, how do you propose to steadiness between progress and profitability? How will we construct confidence that progress will come again? And the way do you view the present aggressive panorama, particularly risk from new social commerce participant? Will you just remember to keep your market share? And is there any coloration or mushy steerage which you could present us in relation to progress?

Yanjun Wang — Group Chief Company Officer

Thanks, Pang. By way of the drivers for our fast turnaround for Shopee, I believe as we shared within the earnings and Forrest’s message earlier on, that it is on all fronts. By way of high line, we managed to extend our take price and deepened monetization throughout varied forms of income, together with the core market income, that are comparatively excessive margin, in addition to different forms of income and as our sellers invested extra within the platform to develop with us. And in addition on the price entrance and expense entrance, we decreased gross sales and advertising and marketing spend.

When you seen, our gross sales and advertising and marketing for Shopee dropped greater than 50% 12 months on 12 months, whereas our GMV sustained and grew round 7% on a continuing foreign money foundation 12 months on 12 months. So, that exhibits the resilience of our ecosystem and the sturdy management and execution excellence of our group in managing this quick transition over a couple of months’ time to show the platform right into a optimistic backside line whereas nonetheless maintain a powerful management of the platform. On the identical time, we additionally loved financial savings in our R&D and G&A bills quarter on quarter. So, on all fronts, we have been bettering.

And in addition, it is effectively aligned with our earlier goal to show rapidly and decisively as we see macro uncertainties in our markets. And that has at all times been our capability to execute on what we ship — what we promise to the markets and to our personal groups. As we shared, it has not been a simple quarter. There’s numerous laborious work, and we make sacrifices.

We exited markets. We downsized operations. We walked by means of all these initiatives to determine which is core, which is much less core, what we have to prioritize, and what we have to deprioritize. There’s numerous work condensed in a couple of months’ time with an incredible effort by your entire Sea group, and due to this fact, we managed to realize this.

And I believe this additionally provides us a lot better confidence to navigate no matter challenges that may come our manner sooner or later. Now, by way of outlook and balancing progress and profitability. So, as we shared additionally, our outlook for our markets, in the long term, stays very sturdy due to its demographic options, with younger rising inhabitants deepening digital penetration vis-a-vis offline retail, and likewise the financial progress potential of our area. On the identical time, we imagine that each one these efforts we’re making in decreasing the price construction of our ecosystem and strengthening our capability to serve our customers with higher consumer expertise will permit us to seize a bigger share of the pie in the long term and additional strengthen our market management, which is a twin purpose along with profitability we have now for our Asia markets.

So, there may be not a shift in our view concerning the long-term progress potential and deal with our enterprise to seize this chance. Within the close to time period, after all, we proceed to see macro uncertainty headwinds to consumptions, so we shall be adjusting and fine-tuning our tempo and operations rigorously in a extremely dynamic method, observe our markets from interval to interval, and alter accordingly. And due to this fact, we additionally shared that we might anticipate fluctuations in our efficiency and leads to the close to time period from interval to interval. However alternatively, I believe we have now demonstrated clearly our capability to execute each progress and profitability.

So, in the long term, we’re very targeted on sustainable progress and additional defending and solidifying our ecosystem. Now, by way of a aggressive panorama, our view is that, in the long term, funding within the ecosystem is necessary, however funding isn’t just solely within the form of economic funding, however extra importantly, by way of operational capabilities, deep native operational capabilities. That is nonetheless a heavy operational system that we have to construct for our on-line retail market. Due to this fact, there’ll at all times be opponents or different entrants into the market with totally different angles, totally different positioning, totally different benefits, and many others.

However the fantastic thing about e-commerce is that it requires a complete set of abilities and capabilities that have to be constructed over a comparatively lengthy time period, particularly in our markets the place infrastructure remains to be very underdeveloped and particularly in Southeast Asia, the place the markets are numerous and there are particular person — many particular person markets. Collectively, these are giant alternatives, however you must conquer them one after the other. And each market has its personal atmosphere, its personal setting, its personal necessities. Due to this fact, we imagine we’re distinctive within the sense that we’re capable of obtain sturdy market management market by market throughout so many markets in Southeast Asia and, on the identical time, fast turnaround on profitability.

And that offers us confidence that we have now extra assets and functionality not simply financially but additionally operationally and managerially to defend our ecosystem in opposition to any future competitors. And we’ll stay humble and stay vigilant on competitors.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Alicia Yap from Citigroup. Please go forward.

Alicia Yap — Citi — Analyst

Hello. Thanks. Good night, administration. Congrats on the sturdy outcomes.

And in addition, thanks for taking my questions. I’ve two questions. First is I needed to comply with up on the earlier questions concerning how ought to we steadiness between the expansion versus the profitability. Is there any short-term margin goal that administration would hope to keep up for every of what you are promoting segments? For instance, if there’s any incremental margin enchancment which you could obtain, then you definitely would reinvest these incremental again to the enterprise to drive sooner progress since you already turned worthwhile on each, for instance, the Shopee and the DFS.

So, I am simply questioning, is there a short-term margin goal that you simply needed to keep up after which any incremental which you could reinvest again to the enterprise to drive sooner progress? Second is in your digital finance companies. Given you can be rolling out the digi financial institution initiatives quickly, will that have an effect on your EBITDA profitability traits for 2023? Thanks.

Yanjun Wang — Group Chief Company Officer

Thanks, Alicia. By way of short-term margin targets, so totally different enterprise items are totally different. In fact, for Garena, our focus now’s persevering with to stabilize our consumer base and offering higher expertise to our customers on the core video games, on the identical time, persevering with to enhance our revenue margin. I imply, on the greater than 47% EBITDA margin, we imagine that we’re nonetheless very excessive in comparison with the business common, and we have now proven capability to realize very excessive margin for the enterprise earlier than, and we’ll proceed to be very — watching our margin intently to enhance our effectivity.

By way of digital monetary companies, I believe we — nonetheless, it’s totally early stage. We simply turned worthwhile within the — for the primary quarter, and we’ll proceed to develop the general — you understand, the service choices to our customers in order that we will attain a broader consumer base and supply extra diversified companies and — however the deal with that enterprise is extra on the standard and long-term sustainability and trust-building with our customers. It is not, to us, at this stage, a speed-driven enterprise. We imagine constructing a strong basis, leveraging the ecosystem benefits it has, being a part of the Sea ecosystem with sturdy synergies with Shopee, specifically, is an important factor at this stage.

And for Shopee, it will be a market-by-market dynamic evaluation. All our Asia markets are at the moment EBITDA optimistic. Now, Brazil market, which is comparatively new, we have seen important profitability enchancment, whereas we proceed to see progress, a comparatively stronger progress there in comparison with our Asia markets. So, I believe it will be a extremely dynamic course of for every market.

At any time period, we’ll assess the market situation, the pure consumer progress price, the aggressive panorama, and our operational price construction in that market. After which we’ll assess what could be an inexpensive revenue margin we might obtain available in the market versus progress we need to obtain available in the market. As I stated earlier than, it isn’t a — essentially a trade-off. If a enterprise progress is pushed solely by funding in gross sales and advertising and marketing, it isn’t an excellent enterprise we need to be in, to start with.

And the truth that we’re capable of lower gross sales and advertising and marketing by greater than 50% whereas sustaining GMV already itself is robust testomony of the — our ecosystem functionality. So, it would not essentially go in opposition to one another. We do not essentially suppose that progress and profitability have to be a trade-off. We do suppose that whereas we — a few of the measures that we’re targeted on akin to price construction enchancment, logistics enchancment, vendor administration, higher client companies, and higher purchaser expertise, all will enhance the effectivity of any funding we make into our ecosystem and likewise enhance the profitability, in addition to progress.

So, numerous it relies on, A, the pure progress, the macroenvironment, aggressive panorama, and our operational stage and views at any time period in a market-by-market evaluation. We do not have a single quantity for Shopee as an entire, however it will be numerous bottom-up and dynamic evaluation and fine-tuned operations. So, that is the trick of the enterprise. But additionally, I believe our relative energy in working the extremely diversified markets and with totally different growth methods.

I believe, general, we — you understand, in the long term, after all, we imagine in sustainable progress, which additionally means worthwhile progress for the enterprise. And we nonetheless see this as our sturdy progress engine.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Piyush Choudhary from HSBC. Please go forward.

Piyush Choudhary — HSBC — Analyst

Yeah. Hello. Thanks for the chance and congratulations to the administration on sturdy set of outcomes. Two questions.

Firstly, on Shopee, are you able to talk about GMV progress traits, you understand, quarter on quarter in native foreign money? You recognize, which markets are doing higher? And any coloration on the outlook for ’23? You recognize, how is buyer habits shaping with Shopee decreasing promotions and delivery subsidy? I noticed that your AOV has elevated by round 22% in native foreign money phrases. So, what’s driving that? Secondly, are you able to give some insights in your capex for 2023? You recognize, which segments would you be investing and what sort of investments we should always anticipate in 2023 to strengthen your ecosystem? Thanks.

Yanjun Wang — Group Chief Company Officer

Thanks, Piyush. By way of GMV progress traits, as we beforehand shared, that GMV stays an output for us. It is not a key KPI as we proceed to deal with tightening our effectivity and profitability, in addition to consumer expertise. We predict it would typically naturally come down the street.

And by way of a distinct market, typically talking, our Asia markets carried out inside our expectation and This fall remained a comparatively sturdy market by way of the demand by our patrons and consumption patterns. Nonetheless, we’re conscious of weak spot — continued weak spot in on-line bodily consumptions by customers throughout varied markets, and specifically, a few of the markets like Malaysia, as we beforehand additionally shared earlier than, stay comparatively — by way of year-on-year comparability, most likely notably comparatively sluggish. And — however after all, beforehand, throughout COVID, a few of these markets additionally occurred to benefit from the strongest and essentially the most spectacular progress through the COVID. So, it stays a troublesome comparability.

I believe ranging from 2023, we’ll see some pure objectives, hopefully. However alternatively, this isn’t one thing that we deal with and the macro uncertainty stays, and there are too many components affecting the underlying consumption sample that, as a market chief, that we’ll face. And due to this fact, it isn’t a goal that we deal with. So, our message keep the identical.

GMV stays output. And we’ll simply proceed any quarter-on-quarter disclosure of working metrics like GMV and orders, and we’ll transfer to an annual disclosure consistent with international friends. By way of capex for 2023, a lot of the capex, by way of the largest ticket objects, are servers after which adopted by a few of the logistics-related equipment akin to sorting machines after which workplace and information middle leases, and many others. Now, as we pivot to a powerful deal with effectivity, we even have been considerably decreasing and tightening our capex investments.

So, you continue to noticed some capex spending in This fall and should proceed to see in Q1 early this 12 months. However going ahead, we anticipate, no less than within the rapid future, capex spending should not be a big a part of our general bills. The explanation that we would nonetheless have some increased numbers in This fall and Q1 is as a result of the sooner dedication — as we shared in a earlier quarter’s earnings, a few of the earlier commitments would possibly arrive at a This fall or Q1 timetable, and that’s not fully inside our management and that may have an effect on our financials. So, it is a timing issue.

Operator

The subsequent query comes from Thomas Chong from Jefferies. Please go forward.

Thomas Chong — Jefferies — Analyst

Hello. Good night. Thanks, administration, for taking my questions. I’ve a query on Garena.

Are you able to remark concerning the near-term development and the total 12 months outlook for the gaming enterprise? Simply need to have a look at some coloration about whether or not we have now any new video games that we needs to be anticipating for this 12 months. And my second query is concerning the complete headcount. Can administration remark concerning the variety of headcount in 2022 and the way we should always take into consideration 2023 if we might do the hiring? Thanks.

Yanjun Wang — Group Chief Company Officer

Thanks, Thomas. By way of sport pipeline, now, as you are accustomed to us, we do not talk about video games that haven’t been publicly launched. And beforehand, we talked about that we have now some video games akin to Undawn as being examined, and it’d get launched this 12 months. After which additionally, there are at all times video games within the pipeline we’re targeted on.

But additionally, extra importantly, the important thing focus within the close to time period remains to be on the core video games and, specifically, Free Hearth, that we need to flip it to a powerful evergreen franchise. Though we proceed to see some weakening in consumer traits compared to the numerous progress achieved through the COVID time, we do imagine that there’s a core defensible consumer base we will obtain and it’s a long-lasting franchise. So, there are numerous issues the group are at the moment doing and specializing in with one of the best expertise and a few of the high artistic individuals we have now to ship higher consumer expertise, extra accessible sport bundle, extra environment friendly downloading, and likewise by way of the content material that’s extra appropriate for our customers and extra fascinating to them even regardless of their a few years of expertise of taking part in this sport. So, we expect that is nonetheless the main target within the rapid future.

On the identical time, we’ll proceed to hone our core competency throughout a few of the core genres that we have now sturdy expertise in and proceed to watch any alternatives that may come up available in the market and choose up new abilities and new traits alongside the best way. So, whereas sport is — from a monetary perspective, we noticed some weak traits instantly, we’re — from an organizational perspective as an entire group, we’re very targeted on sport in the long term as a result of it’s the closest to the youthful technology, and we have already got a really sturdy and massive platform. Free Hearth, regardless of its latest weakening, remains to be one of many largest cellular video games on the earth. It has very giant consumer base and extremely energetic, spending numerous time every day with us, and we will do numerous issues with them and interact them a lot better and likewise ship new and extra content material to them down the street.

So, that is one thing that we’re very a lot targeted on and won’t surrender on. By way of our headcount administration, we had some headcount workouts, as we shared earlier than. These are in relation to the operational adjustments we made akin to market exits, undertaking closures, deprioritizing of initiatives, and many others. We did not have any specific goal of an X share to chop for a Y variety of groups.

That is not how we do headcount workouts. So, I believe we additionally imagine that with the profitable completion of the foremost adjustments that we undertook up to now few months, we imagine, beneath the present atmosphere, absent any main shifts in our exterior circumstances, that our main adjustments are accomplished and we don’t foresee main adjustments — extra main adjustments on this 12 months and within the foreseeable future.

Operator

Our subsequent query comes from Jiong Shao from Barclays. Please go forward.

Jiong Shao — Barclays — Analyst

Thanks very a lot for taking my questions. I’ve two as effectively. The primary is about Brazil. Will you be capable of speak concerning the different progress 12 months over 12 months or quarter over quarter for Brazil? And in addition, you narrow the product loss fairly drastically, which is nice from like two bucks a 12 months go to now lower than $0.50.

Might you speak concerning the drivers behind that and do you’ve any expectation for breakeven in Brazil? My second query is about take price. Once more, my calculation exhibits that take price is now above 10%. And you’ve got made a progress in take price each single quarter over the previous couple of years. I used to be questioning, do you’ve a goal like for continued enchancment for take price this 12 months? Thanks very a lot.

Yanjun Wang — Group Chief Company Officer

Thanks, Jiong. By way of the Brazil market, we managed to make important achieve in effectivity in our operations and likewise partly because of our scaling, that there is an effectivity achieve from — naturally from scale. The drivers behind the huge discount so as loss per order, much like our different Asia markets, coming from each top-line progress, in addition to price enhancements, specifically, logistics prices, that we’re very targeted operationally on decreasing for our customers in order that we will serve extra under-addressed segments profitably and sustainably down the street. This shall be our focus within the close to time period.

And whereas we do not give any projection or steerage on break-even time, we additionally do suppose our market in Brazil may also develop profitably over the long term, shall be one other important alternative that we should always be capable of seize. And one other factor is, as we shared earlier than, the explanation we’re very targeted on price construction, specifically, logistics is as a result of we try to develop the worthwhile TAM for the market as an entire by addressing sellers and patrons who’re underserved or unaddressed by present gamers. And having a greater construction, having extra focused deal with the mass market permit us to be a differentiated participant available in the market, capturing a big share of the pie, in our view. Now, by way of the take price, so we do imagine that there is nonetheless room for enlargement on the take price.

And identical to our view about each market, we’ll do it in a measured paced manner and with sturdy communications to our sellers. And as our platform grows and as we — as sellers develop with us and make investments extra on our platform whereas, at identical time, rising their enterprise, the general take price within the Brazil market, as you most likely know, clearly materially increased than many different markets. And there are, after all, extra companies being offered to the Brazilian sellers and patrons in view of a few of the infrastructural variations available in the market. Due to this fact, we imagine this can be a sturdy market, and we do deal with rising the market.

Operator

The subsequent query comes from Varun Ahuja from Credit score Suisse. Please go forward.

Varun Ahuja — Credit score Suisse — Analyst

Yeah. Hello. Thanks for the chance and congrats on turning worthwhile. I’ve bought a couple of questions.

First on the gaming facet. When you have a look at your revenues proper now, adjusted for the bookings, it is simply 6% above pre-pandemic stage. And if you happen to have a look at the consumer base, it is round 20%. So, how ought to we expect like a lot of the advantages from the pandemic appears to have waned completed by the fourth quarter? Do you see extra stabilization now on the gaming facet or do you suppose there may be nonetheless extra headwind in entrance of that? Second, sticking to the gaming facet, if you happen to may give some coloration on the group energy on the R&D facet.

How many individuals are there on R&D facet cut up between new sport growth and versus on Free Hearth? And thirdly, once more on the gaming, any replace on the Proper of First Refusal that you’ve got with Tencent coming on this 12 months? And lastly, on e-commerce, if you happen to give some coloration qualitative or some numbers on HQ price quarter on quarter as a result of you’ve been traditionally giving some commentary on the HQ price for the e-commerce, whereas this quarter, there’s been a lot commentary. So, simply need to see how this — that price has trended throughout this quarter. Thanks.

Yanjun Wang — Group Chief Company Officer

Thanks, Varun. By way of gaming, I believe it is nonetheless too early to inform the traits. Clearly, COVID is such an unprecedented occasion. No one had any information on it.

And in addition, reopening along with inflation, that had double headwinds on individuals’s discretionary consumption energy, additionally it is additional compounding the consequences that we’re seeing. And due to this fact, it is untimely for us to foretell the place the sport development goes to land. However we have now seen, you understand, cellular video games with lengthy shelf life, have seen additionally revivals and after they have the appropriate content material launched on the proper time and effectively acquired by customers. So, that may be achieved, after all, with numerous creativity and energy.

And that is what we’re targeted on. We can’t be capable of give steerage on the — any brief time — short-term traits at this level but. By way of our R&D and relationship with Tencent, our R&D, whereas, on the identical time, we have now been specializing in concentrating our assets, as shared earlier, and divesting initiatives and deprioritizing non — much less promising initiatives. On the identical time, we’re shifting individuals towards extra deal with the core initiatives and extra promising ones down the street.

Due to this fact, there are shifts within the staffing. However general, we keep a really sturdy R&D group. By way of relationship with Tencent, additionally, there has not been any change within the relationship. On the HQ price traits, it additionally trended downwards, it — by way of the effectivity achieve we had in managing HQ prices.

So, there’s a Q-on-Q enhancements on that as effectively.

Operator

The subsequent query comes from Ranjan Sharma from J.P. Morgan. Please go forward.

Ranjan Sharma — JPMorgan Chase and Firm — Analyst

Hello, good night and thanks for the presentation. Two questions from my facet. Firstly, on the price sides and adjusted EBITDA, have there been any severance prices accounted for on this interval? And with the price optimization initiatives that you’ve got completed, how ought to we consider R&D and G&A prices in 2023 versus 2022? Secondly, on the fintech facet, the mortgage e-book is down from third quarter to fourth quarter. Contemplating your feedback round macro headwinds and — which clouds outlook, how ought to we consider the mortgage e-book progress going ahead? Thanks.

Yanjun Wang — Group Chief Company Officer

Thanks, Rajan. Now, by way of severance, the influence has not been very important, and I believe it is akin to the earlier quarter, and we do not deem it to be materials. So, there was no separate disclosure. We do not suppose it would even have any materials influence on our 2023 financials.

By way of R&D and G&A prices on this 12 months, we proceed to deal with effectivity enhancements and tightening and likewise guarantee that our prices are environment friendly relative to the dimensions of our platform and our companies. By way of the mortgage e-book progress, as we shared — as I discussed earlier than, for the credit score enterprise and, by extension, SeaMoney enterprise as an entire, we do not anticipate to be, no less than at this stage, that we’re not going to take a position considerably to drive speedy progress and land grabbing. We’re extra targeted on constructing a strong enterprise with sturdy underwriting and a powerful consumer base, serve them effectively, and likewise diversify our choices and likewise diversify our funding sources over time to construct a sustainable, long-term — sustainable enterprise with long-term progress. So, that is one thing that, given the present macro uncertainty and the synergistic play with Shopee, we don’t suppose that, you understand, progress is a KPI for our group by way of the mortgage e-book, extra — our KPI is extra by way of high quality of the mortgage e-book and the profitability of the enterprise.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I wish to flip the convention again over to Minju Music for any closing remarks.

Minju Music — Senior Supervisor, Group CCO Workplace

Thanks, operator, and thanks all for becoming a member of right now’s name. We very a lot stay up for chatting with all of you once more subsequent quarter. Thanks.

Operator

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Name members:

Minju Music — Senior Supervisor, Group CCO Workplace

Forrest Li — Chairman, Group Chief Govt Officer

Tony Hou — Group Chief Monetary Officer

Pang Vittayaamnuaykoon — Goldman Sachs — Analyst

Yanjun Wang — Group Chief Company Officer

Alicia Yap — Citi — Analyst

Piyush Choudhary — HSBC — Analyst

Thomas Chong — Jefferies — Analyst

Jiong Shao — Barclays — Analyst

Varun Ahuja — Credit score Suisse — Analyst

Ranjan Sharma — JPMorgan Chase and Firm — Analyst

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